InternalCouncil/Meeting 16DEC2010

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EducOOo International meeting : 16 December 2010

Attendees

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(alphabetic order)

• Will attend around 21h30-45 (back from Paris) Eric Bachard aka ericb2 on irc
• Ben Bois aka _wooz
• Olav Dahlum aka olorin_
• Sylvain DENIS aka sylvaintechnic on irc
• Jean-Marie LAFON aka gnome06 on irc
• Marina Latini aka deneb_alpha on irc
• (please confirm) imacat aka imacat on irc
• (please add your name )

Agenda

Agenda for next meeting :

• Debian port (second part)
• a point with schools
• goodies (part2) --> greeting video for 2011
• (please add the item you want to see discused )

IRC Log

[21:16]  <gnome06> of course i can add at the bottom of the video a mention like "www.educoo.it"

[21:17]  <deneb_alpha> so we can promote also the new websites

[21:17]  <ericb2> hello 

[21:17]  <gnome06> and i can of course provide a locale version if you give me translation

[21:17]  <ericb2> sorry for the delay 

[21:17]  <deneb_alpha> gnome06, perfect!

[21:17]  <gnome06> welcome ericb2

[21:17]  <sylvaintechnic> no prob ericb2

[21:17]  <deneb_alpha> hi ericb2

[21:17]  <gnome06> the only sentence to translate is "Bonne année" :)

[21:18]  <wooz_> re era

[21:18]  <wooz_> ericb2:

[21:18]  <deneb_alpha> Bonne année --> Buon anno

[21:19]  <wooz_> gnome06: you can open an article on the educoo wiki

[21:19]  <wooz_> for the translation

[21:19]  <gnome06> sure

[21:19]  <wooz_> :-)

[21:20]  <deneb_alpha> :)

[21:20]  <gnome06> ok i think we can close this topic. I wil produce a video for each locale. If you have some special 
requirement come back to me

[21:20]  <wooz_> thk in advance gnome06

[21:21]  <sylvaintechnic> gnome06: i demand to my collegues to translate in nederland

[21:21]  <sylvaintechnic> ;)

[21:21]  * ericb2 needs 5 minutes to eat something

[21:21]  <gnome06> i take the opportunity to make another suggestions

[21:22]  <gnome06> on the wiki.educoo.org we have a "press review" page

[21:22]  <gnome06> i try to maintain it as much as i can

[21:22]  <gnome06> it's easy to do in french and english for me, but it's a little bit more complicated for other langages

[21:23]  <olorin_> I'm in if it involves beating Danish system administrators not taking the server running educoo.no offline.

[21:23]  <gnome06> and it take me a lot of time to do it

[21:23]  <sylvaintechnic> i can help for french and a little english if you want ;)

[21:23]  <gnome06> so if you want to create a page on your local blog to do it, it will be a good idea I think

[21:24]  <olorin_> I can proof read as you're mostly useless in English. ;-)

[21:24]  <sylvaintechnic> gnome06: it's a good idea

[21:24]  <gnome06> olorin_ : tks :)

[21:24]  <deneb_alpha> gnome06, I can help you for Italian

[21:24]  <olorin_> I insulted the man... And he thanks me. :-D

[21:25]  <gnome06> olorin_ : i can understand sometime 


[21:25]  <olorin_> gnome06: Hehe

[21:25]  <gnome06> the best way to help me (and you) will be to have a "press review" page on each locale.

[21:26]  <olorin_> Speaking of localization. Some of the video's and text doesn't add up on Vimeo and download.ooo4kids.org

[21:26]  <deneb_alpha> ok gnome06

[21:27]  <olorin_> Like Dutch not doing much for Norwegians watching the translated video etc.

[21:28]  <olorin_> gnome06: Press review intended for where?

[21:29]  <wooz_> I've to go for a moment.. see you later..

[21:29]  <ericb2> olorin_: we keep a trace of the most important events in the Press 

[21:29]  <ericb2> olorin_: concerning us I meant

[21:30]  <ericb2> If nobody disagrees, we can start the missing points (Debian port .. ) 

[21:31]  <gnome06> yes

[21:31]  <olorin_> ericb2: Oh, yeah, I have (at least I had until the trouble arrived) collection from Norwegian media.

[21:31]  <gnome06> olorin_ : great

[21:31]  <gnome06> olorin_: you have a backup of course ?

[21:32]  <gnome06> so, can we come back to the agenda as suggested by Eric ?

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[21:33]  <olorin_> gnome06: Not of the site files, but the database is intact.

[21:33]  <ericb2> Back to the Debian port : kaze proposed a script allowing us to build ooo4kids archive the true Debian way, and 
to create a (non official) repository 

[21:33]  <ericb2> This is only for french localization at the moment

[21:34]  <olorin_> gnome06: Correction: for the Wordpress site.

[21:34]  <olorin_> ericb2: I haven't been able to do anything about Debian Edu/Skolelinux since last time.

[21:35]  <ericb2> olorin_: well, I'm wondering about the best solution

[21:35]  <olorin_> ericb2: Well, more languages?

[21:35]  <ericb2> either we provide en-US + languagepacks 

[21:35]  <olorin_> That saves a lot of hosting space.

[21:36]  <ericb2> olorin_: ... or localized archives, under the name  ooo4kids_$aLocale-version 

[21:36]  <olorin_> ericb2: Of course, easier for most users, but more waste.

[21:36]  <ericb2> olorin_: yes, but not badnwidth, and another drawback appears : the en-US counts a dictionnary inside : 20MB of 
useless stuff for all other locales

[21:36]  <gnome06> the usage is to provide en-US + languagepacks, no ?

[21:37]  <ericb2> olorin_: when -as example- italian people wants to download it version 

[21:37]  <ericb2> downloading  en-US + it languagepack is 20MB bigger than expected (due to en-US dictionary inside) 

[21:37]  <olorin_> ericb2: Yes, there some benefits, but also some drawbacks.

[21:37]  <ericb2> download full it directly : less bandwidth used

[21:38]  <ericb2> olorin_: and if I'm not wrong, .deb will only keep one or two versions on the server 

[21:38]  <olorin_> I guess we could do one set per platform for each locale.

[21:38]  <ericb2> olorin_: we won't keep everything for years of course

[21:39]  <ericb2> olorin_: since we use svn, retrieve and build any version is *always* possible

[21:39]  <gnome06> mum you mean that the en-US dictionnary is not provided as a stand alone package but is inside the package of 
the application ?

[21:39]  <olorin_> ericb2: Ok, let's do one tarball for each.

[21:39]  <ericb2> gnome06: inside en-US, considered as the base

[21:39]  <olorin_> gnome06: It's the locale C.

[21:39]  <ericb2> olorin_: I'd suggest to continue to think some days, and decide later

[21:40]  <gnome06> ericb2: ok I understand. Don't know why it's like that but i'm sure you have good reasons for that

[21:40]  <ericb2> thus, I could create both scripts 

[21:40]  <olorin_> ericb2: Yep, ok.

[21:40]  <ericb2> anyway, the repositories are :

[21:40]  <ericb2> http://deb.ooo4kids.org 

[21:40]  <ericb2> http://deb.ooolight.org 

[21:41]  <ericb2> and they are under test actualy 

[21:41]  * ericb2 adds : both work fine for me ^^

[21:43]  <ericb2> Any question about Debian port ? 

[21:43]  <olorin_> gnome06: Regardless of languages, the en-US is always built.

[21:43]  <olorin_> Yes?

[21:44]  <olorin_> Ok.

[21:44]  <ericb2> olorin_: indeed, this is the default for included strings

[21:44]  <ericb2> olorin_: without at least one locale -> instant crash everywhere :)

[21:44]  <olorin_> But only French for now?

[21:44]  <deneb_alpha> ericb2: you have got mail :)

[21:44]  <ericb2> olorin_: yes, only french, but things will improve soon 

[21:45]  <ericb2> deneb_alpha: I got mail, and I'll say that I'm happy, and a big thank you to you after, indeed :)

[21:45]  <olorin_> ericb2: Ok, so it's in Testing for a reason...

[21:46]  <ericb2> olorin_: but is installable in Lenny out of the box

[21:46]  <olorin_> ericb2: Ok, I'll note that

[21:48]  <olorin_> ericb2: Ok, if that can be done, people will have something more concrete to try out.

[21:48]  <ericb2> can somebody complete it with the beginning ?

[21:49]  <ericb2> olorin_: do you agree to start with full localized archives, and later add languagepacks ?

[21:49]  <olorin_> ericb2: Yes.

[21:49]  <ericb2> olorin_: if so, I'll need less time 

[21:49]  <ericb2> olorin_: ok, I'll do that 

[21:50]  <olorin_> ericb2: 21:39 <@olorin_> ericb2: Ok, let's do one tarball for each.

[21:50]  <olorin_> Well, you get the point.

[21:50]  <ericb2> olorin_: just add a loop in the script, including all locales

[21:50]  <ericb2> won't take a lot of time 

[21:50]  <olorin_> Nice.

[21:51]  <olorin_> Everyone else agrees?

[21:51]  <deneb_alpha> +1 for me

[21:51]  <gnome06> +1 for me

[21:52]  <ericb2> olorin_: in fact, I already experimented the languagepack thing ;) 

[21:52]  <ericb2> +1 for me of course

[21:52]  <olorin_> And me.

[21:53]  <sylvaintechnic> +1

[21:53]  <ericb2> Other info : I finaly found where in the code are the colors for shapes. And I hacked a bit in the train -> can 
draw shapes with any default color

[21:53]  <ericb2> other fix : flyinghat aka Alain Kong, fixed a visual issue with the startcenter 

[21:54]  <ericb2> by default, Writer was highlighted, and this is no longer the case

[21:54]  <olorin_> You're fiddling with the idea of replacing the default color scheme for shapes?

[21:54]  <ericb2> more "cute" ^^

[21:54]  <ericb2> olorin_: yes I am 

[21:54]  <gnome06> well done !

[21:54]  <ericb2> olorin_: but I need suggestions, because that's easy to make something horrible ;) 

[21:55]  <ericb2> maybe time to add a new color palette too 

[21:55]  <ericb2> I found that some Sun colors are hardcoded (not good) 

[21:55]  <olorin_> Yeah.

[21:56]  <olorin_> A lot of those thing in the code tree AFAIK.

[21:56]  <olorin_> ericb2: Speaking of shapes, it could be time to do something about the actual shapes.

[21:57]  <ericb2> olorin_: in fact, the one we need are not easely available arc of circle e.g. 

[21:58]  <ericb2> olorin_: and I'm thinking globally to that. The most simple test : try to draw an experience with optical 
objects or whatever -> the current bar is NOT adapted 

[21:58]  <ericb2> and this is even a nightmare to draw something :)

[22:00]  <olorin_> Well, let's see what can be done over time freshen things up a bit.

[22:00]  <olorin_> to freshen things up*

[22:00]  <olorin_> Taking the interface into this age sort of speaking.

[22:01]  <ericb2> olorin_: in fact I have other ideas with sd, more "full screen mode" oriented 

[22:01]  <olorin_> ericb2: And the toolbars? Docked, floating?

[22:02]  <olorin_> If you consider lanscape mode, how to preserve screen real state the most efficient way etc.

[22:02]  <ericb2> olorin_:  floating is prefered ? 

[22:02]  <ericb2> olorin_: yes, the discussion already started 

[22:03]  <ericb2> olorin_: I got ideas, but I'd like to think more what we'll do 

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[22:04]  <olorin_> ericb2: Maybe you should team up with the rest and make some mockups?

[22:05]  <olorin_> And release those on the partners around.

[22:05]  <ericb2> olorin_: I don't know yet : I got other issues to fix first. e.g. I used Draw and I found some obvious issues 
with default values and so on 

[22:06]  <olorin_> ericb2: You can still draw up some mockups while redesigning some of the features you know.

[22:06]  <ericb2> olorin_: not yet :)

[22:07]  <olorin_> ericb2: Hehe, ok, when the time is right.

[22:08]  <ericb2> olorin_: exactly :)

[22:08]  <sylvaintechnic> sorry, i'm tired

[22:08]  <sylvaintechnic> see you

[22:08]  <ericb2> sylvaintechnic: good night 

[22:08]  <sylvaintechnic> good night

[22:08]  * sylvaintechnic GN

[22:08]  <ericb2> Next item : a point with schools 

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[22:08]  <gnome06> same for me

[22:09]  <ericb2> ok 

[22:09]  <ericb2> next meeting ? 

[22:09]  <gnome06> i will take time for the point with schools after byebye

[22:09]  <ericb2> Next week, same day, same hour ? (I'll be online this time)

[22:09]  <olorin_> Works for me.

[22:09]  <gnome06> ok i will try to be present again

[22:10]  <ericb2> Means : thursday 23 december 20:00 UTC == 21:00 CET (Paris, Hamburg )

[22:10]  <ericb2> +1 for me too 

[22:10]  <deneb_alpha> maybe for me.

[22:10]  <olorin_> Considering the date, we'll try.

[22:10]  <ericb2> maybe we can start earlier ?

[22:11]  <gnome06> ok thanks all. And sorry olorin_ for my bad english :)

[22:11]  <olorin_> gnome06: Na, you're French. :-p

[22:11]  <gnome06> bye

[22:11]  <olorin_> :-)

[22:12]  <ericb2> Next meeting : Thursday 23 december 20:00 UTC 

[22:12]  * ericb2 will add the last item : a point with schools 

[22:12]  <olorin_> 21:00 in this tz of course.

[22:12]  <ericb2> olorin_: yes, 21:00 CET